I actually expected to be nore biased to creationism this article on age of the earth, but its kind of fairly enough between all the points of view. Still maybe it needs some other points of view because speed of light hasnt proven to be slower or faster in the past, and the fact that we saw a supernova on 1987, a god who make us think that the universe is older when it its younger, would be a deceiver one, unless its actually an old universe. Peace Ryosuke1208 02:52, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
How Old Is the Universe?
I was just wondering, does the book of Genesis actually say the universe is young, as opposed to just the solar system? If it was referring to the creation of the entire universe, why does it mention the sun and moon so prominently in Genesis 1:16? If it were referring to the entire universe, it ought to mention many suns and moons, not just one each. That leads me to believe when it refers to stars it's referring specifically to the other planets in the solar system like Jupiter and Mercury, not all planets in the universe.
While I think most dating methodologies look shaky, starlight triangulation in particular has been the one method I could never see any real holes to. ICR gives four suggestions to resolve the issue here, but I don't really find them convincing.
Light speed ought to be pretty much constant over time, unlike with atmospheric isotope levels, and shouldn't be easily affected by catastrophes - in other words, the rate can't be easily altered like with carbon dating or other dating methodologies specific to Earth.
I looked into Riemannian light speed many years ago but it appears to no longer be a likely alternative. Basically it suggested light traveled faster in space due to less refraction. However, new discoveries appear to disprove this possibility. And I don't buy that God would create the universe with the appearance of old age either... that doesn't quite seem honest, for one thing.
Anyway, thought I'd see what everyone thinks about the possibility that Genesis 1 refers to the solar system specifically. Genesis 1:16 especially seems to strongly imply this is the case. --Jzyehoshua 11:05, 16 September 2012 (PDT)
Photons and the old cosmos - scientific method?
I don't think the creationists are using as much scientific method on the age of the universe as the evolutionists are on evolution. I don't mean to say that creationists don't use the scientific method at all, but I do personally trust the mathematics and physics of the photons left from the early cosmos. There are no evidence of photons traveling faster or slower than the cosmic speed limit - it seems that the scientists "froze" the motion of light because photons can bounce around so fast that it creates an illusion that they are not moving, but we know that's not the real case.--O LORD, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth and heaven! - Clark 21:17, 23 March 2014 (EDT)